Of course no Flag we design now will have all the history and meaning of decades flying; the only reason your Banner even has a story is because it already existed, Jack! But we're not sailing out there to relive your Glory Days, what we're doing here is something completely New - completely ours, and the rest of the crew's that we've built here. If that doesn't merit sailing under its own Banner then what will?
No I've not forgotten - I added the Skull, didn't I? But a dove stands for the very same thing that your precious knife does, and even more besides. We are NOT making a decision based on what could intimidate a shipful of blessed GHOSTS and a SEA MONSTER!
My GLORY DAYS, as you so disdainfully put it, were not even under that banner, or the city would not have given it to me to hurt me, John. I have proposed it in tribute to the man from whence this scheme was born in the first place, but I have never been opposed to a new one, providing that the messaging is clear and coherent.
I would rather impress the fucking kraken than make a decision based on what might offend Her Majesty’s Royal Navy, an institution which does not exist here, has done more damage than every pirate crew combined from Avery’s to mine, and would have killed you too, had Hickey not beaten them to it.
Well you're certainly MORE than welcome to offer me feedback that's actually helpful next time, rather than demand I construct you an entire blessed Mythos about it!
Oh and lest I neglect to mention, get rid of the dove but leave the Skull - I'm not going to redesign for you another Pirate Flag!
Exactly what is so incoherent about it in the first place??
[ But then... a long sequence of the typing bubbles bouncing and then disappearing follows, carrying on that way for a few minutes before it disappears again, and stays gone.
The poison. The same shit that makes you ashamed of what you really want, and kept you from being honest about you who are, even to yourself, that makes you still uncomfortable in your own skin.
You're not pissed off at me about the fucking skull, you're upset because England shipped you off to your death for just the chance that a handful of rich men might get richer for it, and you can't muster up the balls to be angry at them for it. You don't like that there are men who can, you don't like that it upsets the balance of things, and you don't like that I am proud to be among them. You are so uncomfortable with it that you would rather cling to those things which do not even exist here than fly a symbol of the rebellion that you, more than most, are owed.
[ At least this conversation isn't happening in person, so Jack is denied the potential satisfaction(?) of getting to see Irving's jaw drop upon reading all that. It hurts, but probably especially because, though he'd deny or disagree with most of it, he can still recognize an uncomfortable amount of truth there, too. ]
[ It wouldn't be satisfying, to see him look like he's been slapped, because he's not saying it to hurt him, or to shock him, even if it does. He's saying it to wake him up. He's had so much patience with this shit, but right now, with the clock ticking and Anne still asleep, he doesn't have the time. It goes beyond the damn flag, but reflects on how they're going to run this ship together. They need to be on the same page, and as Jack's the only one here who has captained a ship of any kind, it is, by necessity, his page. ]
I think you're afraid to let go of that conditioning, because you know no other way to be.
I refuse to have this conversation with you as long as you continue to behave like such a surly little ruffian.
[ Which is not to say that under regular circumstances he would be opposed, at least, to considering it. To beginning to circle the idea. But right now he's Big Upset. ]
You wrote that I haven't the b**** to feel angry with the Royal Navy, and that they'd have killed me if not for Hickey having already murdered me first. That my head is filled with poison. I think you owe me an apology.
They would have. Your entire crew is dead. In the eyes of the Royal Navy, and of England herself, you were expendable. They told you to go where no man should go, refused to heed the signs urging them otherwise, never came to your rescue, and couldn't even be arsed to feed you anything but lead. Your death, Jopson's death, all of them, are on their hands.
Why the fuck are you not angry? Poison is the only way I can even attempt to explain it.
No, Jack. Whatever circumstances might have led to and fostered it, my death is still on Hickey's hands. My hunting party had found help, and food, just before it happened. Some of us might still have lived if not for him, no matter how bleak our situation had been before.
[ Yes, he has been arguing back and forth via text from Anne's bedside all evening, what about it? Better that than just stare at her like a creep, his only hobby for the past few weeks. But Orla's home from work, so she's going to relieve him, give him a chance to wash up and attempt to eat something. So, why not invite Irving over? He'll figure out if he wants to kiss him or strangle him when he gets here.
The door swings open seconds after Irving knocks, Jack only wearing sweatpants and the water he's splashed on his face. It's only just enough to keep his expression neutral, instead of letting the jittery irritation show. Rather, it manifests in his hands, tapping quickly and erratically against the door moulding.
He doesn't say anything, just holding the door open for Irving to come in. If there's going to be yelling, he doesn't need Grace to hear it. ]
[ Rather than neutral, Irving still looks nearly every bit as livid in person as he would have seemed over text, his face flushed and eyes wild, jaw tense, hands opening and closing restlessly into loose fists at his sides. His anger has cooled slightly during the walk over, the parts of him still not entirely blinded by irrationality aware enough that, yes, he will actually want to make up with Jack rather than remain furious and hurt -- he loves this man, after all, doesn't he? -- but for the moment, he's still not quite thought that far ahead yet. Irving feels things very strongly, when he feels them at all, it's difficult for him to ever think past what he's currently feeling until he's already found a way of moving on emotionally.
Right now though, he's still angry. Still hurt. He clenches his jaw, staring Jack down as he closes the door behind him, and tilting his chin slightly upward in making a pointed effort not to let his gaze sweep down over Jack's bare upper body. ]
Well, let's hear it, then, [ he says brusquely, gesturing with his arm as if prompting Jack to go on. ] Apologize for what you said about me.
[ He crosses his arms defensively in front of him, taking a breath as soon as he sees the steam practically coming out if Irving's ears, waiting to be told off. On exhale, he realizes that isn't happening (yet), and relaxes only the smallest bit. The arms stay crossed, suddenly feeling vulnerable in a way he doesn't like, though he didn't mean anything by his state of undress besides the fact he's trying to relax in his own home.
Jack meets his eyes, and doesn't back down from them, full of fury as they are. There's a fire in his too, more controlled, but only just. ]
No. You needed to hear it, and frankly, it's long overdue. You should apologize, for spending so much time trying to avoid who I am, as if it were beneath you.
[ It doesn't occur to him for a minute that they wouldn't work through this and make up. His love is not so fickle, and he knows that it isn't something Irving takes lightly, either. Even so, for the other to be so staunchly against something so minor in the grand scheme of things, but important to Jack, might as well be a rejection. ]
You don't get to dismiss parts of me that are inconvenient for you. That isn't how this works.
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Of course no Flag we design now will have all the history and meaning of decades flying; the only reason your Banner even has a story is because it already existed, Jack! But we're not sailing out there to relive your Glory Days, what we're doing here is something completely New - completely ours, and the rest of the crew's that we've built here. If that doesn't merit sailing under its own Banner then what will?
No I've not forgotten - I added the Skull, didn't I? But a dove stands for the very same thing that your precious knife does, and even more besides. We are NOT making a decision based on what could intimidate a shipful of blessed GHOSTS and a SEA MONSTER!
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I would rather impress the fucking kraken than make a decision based on what might offend Her Majesty’s Royal Navy, an institution which does not exist here, has done more damage than every pirate crew combined from Avery’s to mine, and would have killed you too, had Hickey not beaten them to it.
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Oh and lest I neglect to mention, get rid of the dove but leave the Skull - I'm not going to redesign for you another Pirate Flag!
Exactly what is so incoherent about it in the first place??
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Do not speak to me that way.
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What way is that? Like I know where that poison in your head comes from?
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I beg your pardon. The what in my head.
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You're not pissed off at me about the fucking skull, you're upset because England shipped you off to your death for just the chance that a handful of rich men might get richer for it, and you can't muster up the balls to be angry at them for it. You don't like that there are men who can, you don't like that it upsets the balance of things, and you don't like that I am proud to be among them. You are so uncomfortable with it that you would rather cling to those things which do not even exist here than fly a symbol of the rebellion that you, more than most, are owed.
That poison.
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Is that really what you think of me.
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I think you're afraid to let go of that conditioning, because you know no other way to be.
Tell me I'm wrong.
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I refuse to have this conversation with you as long as you continue to behave like such a surly little ruffian.
[ Which is not to say that under regular circumstances he would be opposed, at least, to considering it. To beginning to circle the idea. But right now he's Big Upset. ]
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Why the fuck are you not angry? Poison is the only way I can even attempt to explain it.
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And stop saying that!
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I'm not saying that he is without fault, but that he made it onto the Terror in the first place is just another way the Navy failed you.
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Has it ever occurred to you that maybe you don't always KNOW how I feel, Jack.
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I'm headed back down to my flat. Let's talk face to face.
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The door swings open seconds after Irving knocks, Jack only wearing sweatpants and the water he's splashed on his face. It's only just enough to keep his expression neutral, instead of letting the jittery irritation show. Rather, it manifests in his hands, tapping quickly and erratically against the door moulding.
He doesn't say anything, just holding the door open for Irving to come in. If there's going to be yelling, he doesn't need Grace to hear it. ]
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Right now though, he's still angry. Still hurt. He clenches his jaw, staring Jack down as he closes the door behind him, and tilting his chin slightly upward in making a pointed effort not to let his gaze sweep down over Jack's bare upper body. ]
Well, let's hear it, then, [ he says brusquely, gesturing with his arm as if prompting Jack to go on. ] Apologize for what you said about me.
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Jack meets his eyes, and doesn't back down from them, full of fury as they are. There's a fire in his too, more controlled, but only just. ]
No. You needed to hear it, and frankly, it's long overdue. You should apologize, for spending so much time trying to avoid who I am, as if it were beneath you.
[ It doesn't occur to him for a minute that they wouldn't work through this and make up. His love is not so fickle, and he knows that it isn't something Irving takes lightly, either. Even so, for the other to be so staunchly against something so minor in the grand scheme of things, but important to Jack, might as well be a rejection. ]
You don't get to dismiss parts of me that are inconvenient for you. That isn't how this works.
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